Saturday, May 10, 2008

Henny Hughes

Jumping brilliantly, HENNY HUGHES wins her maiden race over the 401m at the Gold Coast in a flying 22.93 - becoming the 15th fastest maiden winner ever over the 401m distance.

My Blue Sind 22.71 maiden record
Make A Buck 22.74 - 22.58 graded winner Gold Coast
Whippy's Image 22.76 - Group 1 Adelaide Cup, Group 2 Temlee winner
Elite Oriental 22.76 - Group 1 National Futurity winner
Silenzio 22.76
Hanify Street 22.77
Evil Adams 22.80
Ambit Claim 22.81
King Phantom 22.85
Henny Hughes 22.93
Bogie Ace 22.95 - Flying Amy Classic winner

Friday, May 9, 2008

Rags to Riches

From the wilderness to semi-finals of the $10,000 to-the-winner Eric Thompson Memorial that's the story of HENNY HUGHES (Benny's Toll x Robs Queenlee).

On the 21/3/2003 a topic for discussion "Future Brood Sires" was posted on leading greyhound website www.globalgreyhounds.com

The question: Which sires will be the next generation champion DAMSIRES...I think within the next 5 years, at least half of the following DOGS will be in the TOP 5 broodbitch sires in AUSTRALIA.....AWESOME ASSASSIN - BIG GINGER BOY - BLACK SHIRAZ - BOBNIAK - HEADING WEST - HOTSHOT - LANSLEY BALE - LIGHT OF FIRE - PROPER TEARS - TOKEN PRINCE...possibly only HEAD HONCHO will hold them out, and of course, JUST THE BEST will be the emerging "star"...what do you think......................................Ray Brown
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The debate:

Already

Black Shiraz (Gozzo Peppi)
Moral Standards (Primo Uno)

Darren Leeson
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MORAL STANDARDS has no chance...he did not serve enough bitches, of those that he did, a lot didn't survive...I know BLACK SHIRAZ already has winners but I am forecasting 3-5 years ahead, when all the named sires are well represented...there is one litter by MORAL STANDARDS out of POLLY'S PORTRAIT (primo uno)that I do predict a star broodbitch to come from, perhaps SPLASH OF COLOUR could be special................................Ray Brown
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Ray..quality over quantity isn't too bad either..DAGENHAM a magnificient case in point..not a champion dam sire..??

With classy bitches in PROVEN DREAM, JENS MORALS/Venga Express, TRIMORAL GOLD/No Way Gloria..can see Moral Standards being a classy dam sire..as we already know Primo Uno isn't a bad advert for his start as a dam sire.

Darren Leeson
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GEE

And I gave my Moral Standards bitch away

Noelene Bolton
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Noelene Bolton...you are not "robinson crusoe"...................................Ray Brown
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FORWARD to 27/9/2004

With some 19 months having past and still short of the 3-5 year mark...thought I'd bring this topic up and see or add to previous thoughts. How are things looking?

Black Shiraz and Moral Standards have been going alright for me. Black Shiraz was a no brainer but Moral Standards has thrown Proven Lethal and the smart Endless Pit / No Way Out

Darren Leeson
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FORWARD 17/12/2005

On MORAL STANDARDS

And unfortunately one of the worst sires inflicted upon us...Ok he is turning out to be an Ok maternal grandsire...so what! Dont 90% of them do that.
Gee whiz if you people want to "burn" a generation in the hope of getting a handy dog, that is your perogative I guess...seems like taking 2 steps backward to go 1 step forward to me ...Why wouldn't you use one of the current topline imports in preference, at least you might get something that could run...oh well to each his/her own.

Ray Brown
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Still can't give Moral Standards the respect he deserves as dam sire? To say he has performed just OK, to my mind is understating it! How many Moral Standards broods would have actually been bred with...surely only a handful and look at the OK results..............GROUP and FEATURE race wins.

I see Primo Uno has another smart pup in Turbo Uno (what a run from last in 30.34) and it doesn't take EINSTEIN to look at the pedigree and see MORAL STANDARDS is having alot of say in this blokes pedigree.

Darren Leeson
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No, you are wrong, I still don't give MORAL STANDARDS any more repect than he deserves...which is, good riddance!! But as I said, to each his own.
Why doesn't he have many brood bitches?? or for that matter, why did people stop breeding to him, come on the dog was very very dissapointing, and that is being kind to him...there are 100 similar stories of past imports out there with equally similar success'statistics as broodbitch sires, why dredge up the past and bring back bad memories from past disasters, when newer, fresher, and hopefully better options are available...let's face it, the racetrack performance of their progeny could only be an improvement, they could hardly be worse

Ray Brown
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And you don't think some people out there won't get a dud litter from SPIRAL NIKITA and from it a broodbitch sensation? Why should they breed that useless SPIRAL NIKITA brood anymore than the useless MORAL STANDARDS brood? That's right from what you've been telling us...he's a broodsire sensation.

Darren Leeson
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Well all I can sayis...I will take my chances with some of the new "kids on the block"...those that wish to search for semen to MORAL STANDARDS and look for bitches by him are welcome to their choices.
I always prefer the "win win" situation where the track takes precedence and the breeding barn is in the next classroom...if you can't get success on the track why wait 5 years to see if the experiment "may" work, but hey, like I said, to each his own...and you are right...I am certainly no EINSTEIN, practicality will do me just fine.

Ray Brown
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This is a very interesting discussion in the light of Farloe Melody's recent success as a broodbitch sire.

From memory most breeders stayed away from FM because his breed were brilliant but enigmatic, lacked early speed, you know, all the usual excuses, when they don't ping out like Brett Lee and run track records.

However, given everyone's love affair with the Hallucinate litter you'd think breeders would stay away from them due to the FM blood inherent in same.

Therefore, what I see is breeders being fickle and short-sighted, because those that kept their 'useless' bitches by FM & MS are being rewarded in a big way at the moment.

The same happened a generation or two ago with Curryhills Brute and Grove Whisper. Whilst their males were not competitive enough to produce any stud dogs of lasting quality their presence is staggering in the dam lines of some of our great dogs that we using as sires today and paying big bucks for.

That is not to say that bitches by Spiral Nikita, Larkhill Jo and other top of the line imports won't make their mark or a better mark in the future.

My point is if a breeder had faith to go to the import with their valuable colonial bred broodbitch why did they lose faith a generation or two later.

Surely, the reason they went to the import in the first place was to diversify the blood and introduce hybrid vigor for a future generation.

Hopefully, in the future lessons will be learnt and even if some of these new imports don't fire as great stud dogs that a greater % of their bitches will be retained by breeders for the future.

I'm no expert or criticizing anybody's breeding decisions, I'm just trying to comment as I see it.

Sandro Bechini
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I used Moral Standards on a bitch that had thrown multiple city and tab winners to Grove Whisper. The Grove Whisper litter all won races. The moral standards litter won three races including a maiden at Moss Vale in 30.92. I gave the only bitch in litter away and she has been bred with and I think might have thrown the winner of a couple of country races.

Anybody want her for breeding get in touch with me and we can arrange it

P.S. Her mother was by Amerigo Man x Kylie Bale

Noelene Bolton
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I agree that now we are blessed with greater options with well proven foreign sires and the impact on the breed can only be positive.

I can understand the frustration of some breeders who did go the next step and breed from a MS or FM bitch and got nowhere.

However, to counterbalance there were plenty of Brother Fox, Waverly Supreme & there will be plenty of JTB, AA & BL bitches that will throw legless ones.

Sandro Bechini
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Breeders don't get any smaller than me-i've just bred my first litter.
I went to Spiral Nikita for one reason,to(hopefully) set myself up for the future as far breeding stock is concerned.
To be honest,if i am going to do this right i can't afford not to look long term.
I've been lucky to get a top racebitch,who at the time was unproven-she has well and truly changed that in the interim.
I spoke to plenty of people on this forum,and all were of the same opinion-Spiral Nikita is a brilliant broodbitch sire,with the talent to throw top class race performers.
The outcome was one bitch,five dogs-all big and healthy.
Would have liked more bitches,but am very grateful to get one.
Anyway,the outcross opens up so many future options that i can pick and choose which dog i use.

Scott Jackson
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In this instance however, they are not correct about MORAL STANDARDS (unless it can be proven otherwise)...I cannot sit back on here and see anybody talked into breeding with or buying from a bitch, simply because she is by MORAL STANDARDS, because it could well be a case of "in spite of him, not because of him"... I have followed this dogs career very closely since he arrived in Australia and he has been a rank failure, sure he has the odd broodbitch that has thrown a good dog, but who hasn't...his average in this area would be woeful in comparison to other sires IMHO (but I am prepared to stand corrected). I venture to say the Clive Burrell would love to turn back the clock and refute all the rave reviews he gave this dog, he just about recommended every 2nd client of his to go to the dog, it must have sent many people bust or close to it (maybe even Clive)...a contacted a very well respected and high profile breeder in the UK about the failure of MORAL STANDARDS in Australia, the confidential reply was this..."Ray I think that it was an absolute disgrace to send this dog to you people, after his pups hit the ground here he should have put away and kept as a pet", now these people could be wrong, and so could I...but I think not.
The purpose of my entering this thread was to give reasons why NOT to go looking for bitches sired by this dog unless they one of the proven successful few, that's all...nothing more, nothing less.

Ray Brown
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Still waiting for all those people who really think Moral Standards bitches are the way to go. Offer to breed with one is still open but I haven't had any takers as yet
Sire Moral Standards Dam By Amerigo Man x Kylie Bale

Noelene Bolton
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You say she has thrown country winners-why the hell would anyone want to breed with her.
I don't remember reading that any bicth by Moral Standards should be bred with,regardless of ability.

Scott Jackson
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Scott
How do you know what ability she had(she was a multiple tab winner) and it might have been the choice of sire that produced the country winners.
I just thought Darren Leeson was so rapt in all Moral Standard bitches that he would have jumped at the chance

Noelene Bolton
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I think that you have read it right too Noelene

Ray Brown
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Noelene
Silly comment-if she had any ability you wouldn't be so keen to get rid of her!
People call Brett Lee a sensational sire,that doesn't every dog he throws can run.
Darren has called Moral Standards a sensational dam sire-doesn't mean all his daughters will throw.

Scott Jackson
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Ray,
I know Noelene.
She does know her way around dogs but that doesn't mean she's right.
I disagree with her,end of section.

Scott Jackson
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I know what Darren said...and I will say this for the last time even though it is not sinking in, what/who you believe is your business.....
MORAL STANDARDS is one of the worst sires ever imported into AUSTRALIA

Ray Brown
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Scott
I am not talking about imports in general just Moral Standards. Didn't you notice I used Grove Whisper with great success before Moral Standards.
I gave the bitch to friends to race after she had won two at Richmond for personal reasons, but according to you that makes her no good.I was rapt in Moral Standards too otherwise I wouldnt have used him and still have his video, but I now agree with Ray after experiencing the result.
You may believe I am wrong but I believe I am right

Noelene Bolton
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Well if you're offering her up...at least let's have her name, raceform and the litters she has already had, if any?

Darren Leeson
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Any Moral Standards fans want to team up and breed the bitch and take a pup each from the litter...get in touch.

Darren Leeson
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Darren
What stud would you put her to?

Scott Jsckosn
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Thanks Scott was about to ask that question myself. With all the advice from these breeding gurus I might breed with her myself and get my own litter of group winners.
Its just that I don't study the pedigrees and can't pick the right sire, thats why I'm a failure

Noelene Bolton
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Noelene,who did you use the first time?
If Darren was using the right dog i'd be interested in his little scheme.

Scott Jackson
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If you guys want to go to November Fury or Stately Bird I'll be in for one pup

Sandro Bechini
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Gee,i loved NF as a racedog.
Can't remember seeing a harder chaser,andhe was just so unlucky.
Definitely one of my fave's.
I'll be in.

Scott Jackson
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There's 2 - who else is willing to put their money where their mouth is?

Noelene, seeing you own the bitch, you are entitled to at least one, if you want it.

Sandro Bechini
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An so the breeding consortium of Bechini Jackson Leeson was born - with it's first mating of Benny's Toll to Nolene Bolton's ordinary performed [Richmond 31.70] Moral Standards bitch Robs Queenlee.

With Robs Queenlee already a 7 year old with two litters on the ground for no result. We were on a hiding to nothing to prove the doubters wrong.

Pleased to say at time of writing a bitch by the name of HENNY HUGHES (Benny's Toll x Robs Queenlee) has won her maiden race at a Gold Coast TAB {minor open) meeting over the 401m in a very fast 22.93sec [TR 22.51] and has also advanced to the semi-finals of the $10,000 to-the-winner ERIC THOMPSON MEMORIAL at the Gold Coast.